To ‘do’ salmon fishing properly (like catch one!) it usually requires a degree of expert guidance from local ghillies and also paying a premium for some of the productive beats. The price of this is similar to a top golf course
This is otherwise a three-centred, daily ‘back-to-base’ schedule, using a ‘point-to-point’ touring structure
Experience of angling will always place you at an advantage but isn’t essential. Beginners and even ‘first timers’ can be accommodated and are welcomed. Each part has an experience ghillie assigned to them
Salmon Fishing on the River Tweed (1 day) and River Tay (1 day)
What’s Included
What’s Not Included (and advised)
Scotland’s Open Championship Venues Golf Vacation is laid out as a nine night duration staying:
Carnoustie is notably less expensive than St Andrews so we’d hope that the saving we can achieve will cross subsidise the stay at Gleneagles
At about 400 miles, the Scottish Golf with Salmon Fishing Vacation is a medium mileage intensity transport burden.
In total, this should require about 10 hrs of road time, which is an average of about 75 mins per day
This trip can support Luxury, Premier and Affordable options, but this statement needs qualifying a little bit since we have to work to an average rather than being able to roll it out across the board
In order to achieve an affordable option we’d need to abandon Gleneagles and stay at either Stirling or Perth
The Carnoustie hotel (despite what people often think) is actually a four-star. We’d regard it as ‘premier’ grade. It falls below the threshold for ‘luxury’ so there wouldn’t be a luxury option north of the Tay unless we went south to St Andrews
As ever, the scale of non-golf activity depends on whether we’re adding extra value for golfers, or building a stand alone proposal for non-golfers to run alongside a golf programme.
We already have two days dedicated to a non-golf activity but this needn’t exclude the possibility of a non-golfer, non-angler being attendance
Our stay in Edinburgh will look after itself. The capital will provide plenty of non-golf activity for anyone accompanying a golfer/ angler whilst their primary attention is focused on North Berwick, Gullane and the River Tweed
St Andrews is a legitimate point of interest without golf. The ruined old castle and cathedral are natural focus points, whereas the town also possesses aesthetic charisma and history.
To a lesser extent Gleneagles can also keep a non-golfer occupied be it through the various activities, and facilities of the resort, or by visiting Stirling just 30 mins to the south
Carnoustie is less fertile territory for the non-golfer however, although with Glamis Castle, Scone Palace, Arbroath Abbey and Dundee in the area, we needn’t be at a loss. All of these could support a single day, but we’re staying a bit longer than that, so would be a little bit stretched, but can probably adjust by spreading the interest out a bit and reducing the touring intensity
We might also discover that unless we’ve got independent driving non-golfers (some non-golfers are prepared to do so) that we might need to use a driver guide for a couple of the days
A number of these courses operate handicap thresholds
Unlike some courses who needn’t be rigid in enforcing their handicap thresholds, the St Andrews Links Trust will do. Failure to provide evidence will result in a refusal to allow us to play
The Old Course diary is available on-line to consult for availability and is dynamic in so much as it changes every season, although there are some known block outs that occur every year, notably the first week of May, the first week of June, and a run from early/ mid September to early/ mid October
There is no play on the Old Course on Sunday
North Berwick doesn’t permit visitor play on Fri, Sat or Sun morning
Gullane No.1 doesn’t allow visitor play before 10.30
Carnoustie whilst usually being open 7 days of the week, visitors will have to play afternoon tee-times at the weekend
Panmure only has a 2 hr window on Weds & Sat afternoons, and 2 hrs on Sunday lunchtime.
With all the usual disclaimers of a lottery being random, and there being no such thing as a certainty etc plus the variable factor of availability for the specific week chosen, our prospects of winning a ballot on this programme would otherwise be considered a little bit on the weaker side of average, perhaps due to the fact that we can’t really contest ballots on our river days
We should be able to contest a total of four open ballots (Mon, Weds, Fri and Sat). We can’t see any obvious opportunities for entering a ‘singles’ ballot application, although it should be possible to drive over to St Andrews on Friday (dependent on our tee-time at Panmure) to enter for Saturday
We’d crudely estimate our chance to be 1 in 3, so odds against, but hardly forlorn
Green fees need paying in advance and are always non-refundable against a certain timeline
Green fees need paying in advance and are always non-refundable against a certain timeline
A St Andrews Old Course ballot is drawn 48 hrs before play, and we can safely assume that this is outside any refund window! Any win in the ballot therefore will send us into a clash with which ever course we had booked that day, and we’ll a loss of the green fee unless we can get the tee-time rearranged. For this reason we don’t necessarily want to fill every day of the week up with a paid green fee and golf course. That would be designing a forfeit (we are after all setting up to win a ballot and play the Old Course)
Luckily the St Andrews New Course can’t be prebooked, and every other tee-time after 09.00 is offered present-pay-and-play-on-the-day. This is a great way of putting a placeholder into the itinerary without taking on the liability of a prepaid green fee
We try to schedule the New Course in any St Andrews swing to max out this position. If we win a ballot on the day we were going to try and play the New Course, we simply play the Old Course instead. If we win a ballot on another day, then we look to reschedule the affected course onto the day we had the New Course inked in and avoid a forfeit that way. We’ll usually try and put the New Course last in an itinerary then to give ourselves the maximum length of runway onto which we might land the rearranged round
Perversely perhaps, we’re actually hoping not to play the New Course. The reason we wouldn’t play it, is because we’ve won a ballot and are playing the Old Course instead
We don't need to make this an ordeal by 101 filtering questions! In reality there are probably little more than half a dozen things we need to know to build out a proposal. The guidance below might help you frame answers
Duration - usually best expressed as a range up to a maximum
Time of year - can be anything from a specific date range to a named season
Travel class - Faraway Fairways uses 'Luxury', 'Premier' or 'Affordable' for generic purposes. You might choose to reference the international 'star' rating system. We're only looking for something to help steer us into the right sector
Self drive or hired driver - In broad terms, self driving is normally less expensive, and much more flexible, but some folk just don't want to do it
Must play courses/ must do places - a few name checks is all that's needed